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Israelis flock to sages' tombs seeking miracles

Seeded on Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:17 PM EST
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One man prays to heal the legs he broke in a car accident. An older woman pleads for grandchildren. Another visitor has come to see "God's secretary."

These believers are part of a growing phenomenon in Israel, where hundreds of thousands of people from starkly different backgrounds flock to the tombs of ancient Biblical figures or modern-day rabbis, seeking blessings and claiming they've witnessed miracles.

At many of these sites there is scant proof that any sage is actually buried there. Some are even believed to be co-opted Ottoman or Muslim burial places. But to the faithful, the lack of hard evidence is irrelevant. It's the deep spiritual experience or, for some, the desperate desire to be blessed, that matters.

"Coming here is being able to speak to God's secretary. It's the closest you can get," said Suzy Shaked, a 55-year-old teacher from central Israel who visited the tomb of Rabbi Yisrael Abuhatzeira, one of the most popular pilgrimage sites.

"It's hard for (people) to be satisfied with prayer in a synagogue to a God who is very abstract, who is unclear, who is not accessible," said Doron Bar, a historical geographer who studies the sites. "I think visiting a grave like this gives believers a line through which demands can be made."

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rescue dogs62

I find this very surprising, and would love input from those of Jewish faith, or background, but anyone please give your input. It's akin to Catholicism.

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Reply#1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:20 PM EST
Andrew-1162039

Lesley Stahl did a piece on 60 Minutes this week about how the placebo affect is as useful as pharmaceutical drugs for people suffering from mild as opposed to moderate or severe depression. They believe the drugs will make them better and so they get better. I would imagine there is a similar measurable response for people who adamantly believe visiting a tomb will help them in some way for religious reasons.

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Reply#2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:37 PM EST
American Spirit

I would imagine there is a similar measurable response for people

Yes there is. This is further illustrated in body changes those said to be of split personality can instantly make to their body when changing characters. It's not the faith healer, or the gravesite that works. It's their BELIEF that it will that triggers the change, usually simply resetting the cells involved back to their original coding, like rebooting a computer.

Belief is a power in its own right. So is hope.

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#2.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:03 PM EST
rescue dogs62

American Spirit,

Many will find this hard to accept but in line with what you're alluding to, I had a patient who has MPD on a psych ward. One personality was diabetic and one wasn't it and played absolute havoc in trying to maintain her blood sugar.

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#2.2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:47 PM EST
American Spirit

Makes sense to me ; )

This "phenomena" should not surprise anyone. It's the workings of the success of hypnosis. Our chemistry will alter if told to by our mind. It's getting that mind to do so properly that's always the hard part when trying to use it for gain. In the case of hypnosis, the subconscious is being programmed without the mind interfering.

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#2.3 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:56 PM EST
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DarwinWasRight

Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day; give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for fish.

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Reply#3 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:27 PM EST
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